Here we see a perfect example of a deeply mediocre white man. His writing, which is frankly embarrassing, reveals that there's no possible way he has achieved his position by merit. It's understandable that he feels compelled to deny the existence of the very racism and sexism that makes it possible for him to hold this position for which he is so clearly unqualified.
He's a Christian who denys what Christ actually said and did. He's a constitutionalist who wants to compel prayer. He's the very model of a modern republican.
And now, as they so often do, he's going to ruin a good thing that other people built and then blame the thing for being broken. He will show no shame, no embarrassment, and will likely pay no consequences.
Wow, was this written by a current student? Postboy's comments contain the exact myopic interpretation of America and the younger generation's obsession with race and sex that normal people find so vapid and distressing.
The real issue lies with K-12 and bad parenting, but best wishes to the Board in attracting a more tolerant and open-minded student population to this struggling school.
Look, I get it. You wasted at least 4 years of your life and got into massive debt for a piece of sheepskin and no useful skills. So now you have to keep telling yourself you're "qualified" and that everyone else is mediocre to avoid having to admit that your life was a total failure.
I understand this podium of psychoanalysis you’ve put yourself on must feel pretty good, but I actually graduated with zero debt and landed a fine job right after graduation. Unlike you, I do not put random people down to make myself feel better, I call out Spier’s mediocrity because he positions himself as a messiah when he can’t flesh out any evidence the problem he seeks to save us all from exists.
Gender is a social construct, nothing more. There are as many genders as the mind desires. There are, with some rare outliers, two biological sexes, although the markers of those sexes are much more complex than most people think.
New College students graduate with modest debt and go on to professional and PhD credentials at rates well above any other public institution. Don't blow up something that works.
I don't need a biologist to tell me what a woman is. A female is someone with XX chromosomes. A woman is someone who performs gender in the way society currently defines the concept.
BS. Rather, if you want to define "woman" in a bizarre way, I don't see why anyone else should play along with your delusions.
Look if you want to destroy women's sports, want men to be able to follow women into women's bathrooms, and female prisoners to be housed with male rapists just say so.
Sigh. This is, at best, a B paper in a high school English class about opinion writing taught by a mediocre teacher with low grading standards. It should not be mistaken for a well-researched, well-reasoned, or well-written piece of scholarship. (I suspect the author wouldn’t recognize such even if one chased him around a library and bit him on the ass.) Unfortunately, some people (honestly, more than I care to acknowledge at the moment) will mistake it for something more—something deeper—than it is: the unnecessarily-long-form version of musings-masquerading-as-deep-thoughts that are as shallow as a debate between button-pushing-dogs arguing in 30-second Insta reel about whether the backyard is for pee or water. (Serious question: How many words can you define while simultaneously demonstrating you have little to no understanding of those words or language or religion or history or sociology or critical analysis or critical reasoning—nevermind. Truly, it boggles the mind and is a feat that should only be attempted by the most naturally (or intentionally) obtuse.) Nevertheless, even dull blades can cut and shallow waters can drown, so I am not unaware that it is also a dangerous piece of writing in light of its author’s position and the social context in which he has written it. I have no doubt its release into the world will promote societal harm and inspire even greater declarations of ignorance and hubris and physical acts that result in the misfortune of many people. I believe in God, but I do not recognize the unflattering representations of God and the Christian faith that are expressly and/or implicitly presented in writings such as this. The God I serve is, among other things, love. I did not find or feel God in this piece. I found and felt hubris and smallness, a spirit of scarcity, mediocrity and a lack of rigor. My God has higher standards than what this piece achieves. Older folks folks say more simply, “God don’t like ugly.” Well, this piece is ugly.
“But God had different plans. Without any formal background in education, we felt called to start a school.” Statement by the author of this piece on the Founders’ page of the Inspiration Academy website.
Sigh. Stop blaming God for your hubris. Faith is not a license for ignorance nor does it obviate the need for qualification. How tiresome God must find so much mediocrity performed in His name.
Sigh again. Unsurprisingly, this telling of the tale minimizes the importance of training, apprenticeship, education and qualification. Jesus chose a group of fishermen to study around-the-clock under his tutelage and close oversight. He asked them to humble themselves for the purpose of receiving an intense education in God's word and the teaching of God's word BEFORE permitting them to teach His flock. Their training included hours of attending seminars, classroom observation, and a multitude of both simulated and real-world exercises, and Jesus was quick to call out anyone who didn't do the required reading or put the necessary work in. Their training also encompassed multiple examinations of their knowledge, reasoning, leadership, faith, commitment, growth, humility, greed and ability to teach. Not all of them passed their exams. Those that did received their license to teach, and God chose only one to be chief apostle based on demonstrated performance, qualification, and future potential. Peter was not a fisherman who, without any formal background in education or ministry, felt called to give his Sermon at Pentecost.
Mr. Speir, I'm afraid you're looking for something that isn't actually present at New College. Some kind of "religion of wokeness" might exist at Harvard or at Emory, but it's simply not the way education takes place at New College.
The students often seem unusual because it's an unusual place. But part of the fiber of its existence is classical principles - students can follow any line of questioning and discover all of its implications for themselves.
The media likes talking about Derek Black and how he came there as the heir apparent of the white supremacist movement and then changed his mind about his prior beliefs. But it's important to point out that he felt comfortable going to New College in the first place, and in his own writing about his experience, points out that he was never in any danger of being expelled and never felt any academic pressure. Some students (not all) just pointed out that his arguments were wrong, and he examined that and came to agree. He was at home there, just as much as Representative Lincoln Diaz-Balart (R), or the numerous veterans, politicians, and members of the clergy who graduated from New College.
Please, before trying to change things, make sure you're not trying to fix whatain't broke or woke.
Yes, truth hurts the wicked. Try admitting your sins and atoning for them. I realize this can be extremely painful, but if you atone and truly ask for forgiveness, you will find truth no longer hurts your soul.
"One example of a dogmatic expression of wokeness is the assertion that America and its institutions are systemically racist and must be torn down."
You are looking through your telescope backwards. The effects of systemic racism are manifold and ongoing, having wasted countless lives. But to dismiss this understanding as dogmatic un-thought is basically to not think, but to label inaccurately a historical reality. Perhaps you would benefit from attending a performance of "Flyin' West" at the Westcoast Black Theater here in Sarasota. The tale of Nicodemus, Kansas, is part of our history; its fate is just one of countless effects of systemic racism.
Sarasota County and New College have far more education than you give them credit for. You'll discover this soon enough.
You should check out the writings of Thomas Sowell, a real American treasure! I hope that New College starts exposing the students to a full body research and knowledge. It really is time for a change!
> The effects of systemic racism are manifold and ongoing, having wasted countless lives.
For example, look at all the people, mostly Blacks, killed by the rise in crime caused by the BLM riots. Or look at the effect the destructive consequences of affirmative action and the "disparate impact" doctrine are having on our national institutions.
Oh dear. It’s scarier than I thought. This anti- intellectual is now going to create the paradigm for a made up word? And none of his thoughts are dogmatic or threatening to “ our way of life?” Is he for real? I mean he’s simply living in an alternate reality and unfortunately one similar to those created in 1930s Germany…
As a Christian and public school teacher, I might quibble with your definition of "woke" here. In my own practice, I work under the understanding that schools have historically failed to adequately serve poor and minority students and when I think about equity, what that has meant for me is asking questions about how we might do better about addressing those disparities. I lived by those beliefs by being underpaid in poorly funded schools for many years. Now my daughter attends New College and it looks like her education will be caught in the crosshairs of a political battle being waged by the governor.
Please, Sir, with all due respect, this is a deeply flawed piece.
Did Christ not compel you to love your neighbor as yourself?
Please, pray on your words. They drip with distain.
Everyone of us is worthy of love. New College is an accepting loving place. Please speak with the students, the faculty, the community. You may be seeing this situation with jaded eyes.
When you say “our way of life”, you are clearly referring to YOUR way of life as a CIS white Christian male. You are certainly not speaking for me as a CIS white Jewish female.
As a Jewish man myself, I would like to apologize on behalf of all sane Jews for EJR's behavior. He doesn't speak for us, and we support what Eddie Spier and Chris Rufo are doing to maintain the intellectual standards of academia and ultimately Western Civilization.
I challenged the NCF community in our meeting to be intelligent as defined by the ability to hold two apparent contradicting ideas in your head and the same time and seek a deeper truth. You have failed the first test. Jesus was Jewish, I am Jewish and a follower of Jesus. These are not mutually exclusive. Nor is free thinking and conservatism.
Do you believe that Jesus was the Messiah? Do you pray to Jesus? Was/is your Mother Jewish? If not, have you converted to Judaism? Have you been baptized?
I'm sorry, resorting to ad hominem attacks and character assassination attempts does not dissuade from the fact that being Jewish and a follower of Jesus are not mutually exclusive. Your appeal has been heard and denied. Your failing grade remains.
I’m just trying to seek the truth. Your failure to actually answer my questions and refer to what I wrote as ad hominem attacks are character assassination are indeed answers.
Eddie should check in with his boss DeSantis on the meaning of 'woke,' since representatives of DeSantis defined it in open court, in a legal proceeding a couple months ago, as 'a “slang term for activism … progressive activism” and a general belief in systemic injustices in the country [and as] "someone who believes that there are systemic injustices in the criminal justice system and on that basis they can decline to fully enforce and uphold the law ... it would be the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them."' source: https://floridapolitics.com/archives/574045-in-andrew-warren-suspension-trial-gov-desantis-officials-answer-what-does-woke-mean/
When you reply to sourced data with "uh, no". Zero references, no data, no evidence, that's not a debate, it's a Foxx news junkie in a post fact bubble.
How could New College grads go onto so much more accomplishments than DEI-free Hillsdale college grads if they have "fewer useful skills" ?
I thought you were interested debating facts and policy I welcomed that, but clearly no.You just say stuff that feels good for your fact free political viewpoint.
So, no more from me. But you might try all the research I provided as evidence.
Colleges are in a deeply competitive market for talent as the demographics are going against them. Many are closing and more will do so. New College is a place that attracts students accepted to Harvard, U of Chicago, Williams and others of that caliber. It is a place that sends a greater percentage of its students on to PhDs than any other public college. It is a gem. Those students will not apply to a Hillsdale Christian college, that is a very different set of students. That niche does not outperform in Fulbrights and PhDs. Changing policies to eliminate a President just hired in a national search, to fire highly rated faculty, to eliminate accountability for Title IX, to destroy the investment in diversity and inclusion -- this will destroy the unique jewel of New College, a school that punches well above its weight in academics. Responsible stewardship does not destroy the strategic competitive advantage of an institution.
> Colleges are in a deeply competitive market for talent as the demographics are going against them.
Who do you think you're fooling with this BS? There are many more people on the academic job market than there are positions available. That's why colleges can get away with treating their grad students and post-docs like crap, people are required to take ever more and longer post-docs before even getting the chance at a tenure track position.
I'm referring to the students New College seeks to attract: undergraduates. Not the PhD vs academic job mismatch.
New college must compete for undergrads and the proposed policy changes will sabotage their ability to get the best of a shrinking pool of high school graduates.
The reason for the crash in college admissions is that undergrads are going into increasing debt for an "education" that doesn't actually educate but merely indoctrinates students with far-left politics. This is precisely the trend people like Eddie Speir are trying to reverse.
The data do not support your hypothesis. The most selective and expensive schools have no decline. The biggest decline in enrollment has been at the community college level, the least expensive option. It looks like much of the community college decline relates to higher entry level wages, but the full answer is not know.
As I posted earlier (with a reference), there are fewer high school age kids to go to college (or trade school).
I share your concern about college costs, which is why I applaud New College for keeping costs low. New College tuition is $7000. It sends about as large a share of its graduates on to post-graduate education as MIT, where the tuition is 56,000. Why mess with such a success?
The average college grad will earn $2,000,000 more over their lifetime than a high school graduate. That goes for business majors, women's studies majors and philosophy majors, interestingly. Like durable assets such as your car or home, borrowing is appropriate for that payoff. The real devastation is the student who borrows and does not complete. Speir just fired the president who raised retention rates immediately in her short tenure -- good work. Not sure how that helps the problem of debt that you and I both worry about. Perhaps you can explain.
The policies that are proposed about cultural issues have no relationship to debt, graduation rates. I hear your cultural frustration, it seems your anger has been stoked. The younger generation definitely have ideas and practices and acceptance of people that we didn't. But, this will not be stamped out, it is generational change. What is accomplished by firing the diversity director (the person who has been working attracting and retaining more veterans at New College)? Except, we will see fewer vets. And applications -- the lifeblood of a school.
> The average college grad will earn $2,000,000 more over their lifetime than a high school graduate. That goes for business majors, women's studies majors and philosophy majors, interestingly.
Um, no.
> Like durable assets such as your car or home, borrowing is appropriate for that payoff.
Tell that to all the recent grads with unaffordable student loans.
> The policies that are proposed about cultural issues have no relationship to debt, graduation rates.
Yes, they do. The ballooning DIE bureaucracy is a large part of the reason for the ballooning cost. The teaching of woke propaganda instead of facts or useful skills, as well as dumbing down the curriculum to make sure everyone passes, means students graduate with fewer useful skills and that employers can no longer reply on a diploma as a sign of quality.
To put in bluntly, over the past decades colleges have been slowly turning into expansive diploma mills cum indoctrination centers while coasting on their established reputations. Thus it's not surprising that they're having problems.
You do realize that women's rest rooms are different from men's rest rooms, right? There is no way that you would notice anyone's junk in a woman's rest room. What actually do you think goes on in rest rooms anyway?????
Here we see a perfect example of a deeply mediocre white man. His writing, which is frankly embarrassing, reveals that there's no possible way he has achieved his position by merit. It's understandable that he feels compelled to deny the existence of the very racism and sexism that makes it possible for him to hold this position for which he is so clearly unqualified.
He's a Christian who denys what Christ actually said and did. He's a constitutionalist who wants to compel prayer. He's the very model of a modern republican.
And now, as they so often do, he's going to ruin a good thing that other people built and then blame the thing for being broken. He will show no shame, no embarrassment, and will likely pay no consequences.
Wow, was this written by a current student? Postboy's comments contain the exact myopic interpretation of America and the younger generation's obsession with race and sex that normal people find so vapid and distressing.
The real issue lies with K-12 and bad parenting, but best wishes to the Board in attracting a more tolerant and open-minded student population to this struggling school.
If it makes you feel better, this post is a perfect example of a deeply mediocre PERSON of unspecified demographic.
Look, I get it. You wasted at least 4 years of your life and got into massive debt for a piece of sheepskin and no useful skills. So now you have to keep telling yourself you're "qualified" and that everyone else is mediocre to avoid having to admit that your life was a total failure.
I understand this podium of psychoanalysis you’ve put yourself on must feel pretty good, but I actually graduated with zero debt and landed a fine job right after graduation. Unlike you, I do not put random people down to make myself feel better, I call out Spier’s mediocrity because he positions himself as a messiah when he can’t flesh out any evidence the problem he seeks to save us all from exists.
> landed a fine job right after graduation.
Sure, whatever let's you sleep at night.
> he can’t flesh out any evidence the problem he seeks to save us all from exists.
In other words, you're willfully blind to the problem. Quick sanity check, how many genders are there?
Gender is a social construct, nothing more. There are as many genders as the mind desires. There are, with some rare outliers, two biological sexes, although the markers of those sexes are much more complex than most people think.
New College students graduate with modest debt and go on to professional and PhD credentials at rates well above any other public institution. Don't blow up something that works.
Source: you made it up.
"Normal people." What are normal people to you?
Normal people don't need a biologist to tell them what a woman is.
I don't need a biologist to tell me what a woman is. A female is someone with XX chromosomes. A woman is someone who performs gender in the way society currently defines the concept.
BS. Rather, if you want to define "woman" in a bizarre way, I don't see why anyone else should play along with your delusions.
Look if you want to destroy women's sports, want men to be able to follow women into women's bathrooms, and female prisoners to be housed with male rapists just say so.
This is such a feeble argument. Do you realize that men can follow women into rest rooms right now regardless of how they identify?
Where did he say he wants to compel prayer?
Sigh. This is, at best, a B paper in a high school English class about opinion writing taught by a mediocre teacher with low grading standards. It should not be mistaken for a well-researched, well-reasoned, or well-written piece of scholarship. (I suspect the author wouldn’t recognize such even if one chased him around a library and bit him on the ass.) Unfortunately, some people (honestly, more than I care to acknowledge at the moment) will mistake it for something more—something deeper—than it is: the unnecessarily-long-form version of musings-masquerading-as-deep-thoughts that are as shallow as a debate between button-pushing-dogs arguing in 30-second Insta reel about whether the backyard is for pee or water. (Serious question: How many words can you define while simultaneously demonstrating you have little to no understanding of those words or language or religion or history or sociology or critical analysis or critical reasoning—nevermind. Truly, it boggles the mind and is a feat that should only be attempted by the most naturally (or intentionally) obtuse.) Nevertheless, even dull blades can cut and shallow waters can drown, so I am not unaware that it is also a dangerous piece of writing in light of its author’s position and the social context in which he has written it. I have no doubt its release into the world will promote societal harm and inspire even greater declarations of ignorance and hubris and physical acts that result in the misfortune of many people. I believe in God, but I do not recognize the unflattering representations of God and the Christian faith that are expressly and/or implicitly presented in writings such as this. The God I serve is, among other things, love. I did not find or feel God in this piece. I found and felt hubris and smallness, a spirit of scarcity, mediocrity and a lack of rigor. My God has higher standards than what this piece achieves. Older folks folks say more simply, “God don’t like ugly.” Well, this piece is ugly.
Gee, I wish my HS English teacher had been as generous a grader as you are.
“But God had different plans. Without any formal background in education, we felt called to start a school.” Statement by the author of this piece on the Founders’ page of the Inspiration Academy website.
Sigh. Stop blaming God for your hubris. Faith is not a license for ignorance nor does it obviate the need for qualification. How tiresome God must find so much mediocrity performed in His name.
> Faith is not a license for ignorance nor does it obviate the need for qualification.
That's why God called a qualified priest to be His chief apostle. Oh wait, He called a simple fisherman.
Sigh again. Unsurprisingly, this telling of the tale minimizes the importance of training, apprenticeship, education and qualification. Jesus chose a group of fishermen to study around-the-clock under his tutelage and close oversight. He asked them to humble themselves for the purpose of receiving an intense education in God's word and the teaching of God's word BEFORE permitting them to teach His flock. Their training included hours of attending seminars, classroom observation, and a multitude of both simulated and real-world exercises, and Jesus was quick to call out anyone who didn't do the required reading or put the necessary work in. Their training also encompassed multiple examinations of their knowledge, reasoning, leadership, faith, commitment, growth, humility, greed and ability to teach. Not all of them passed their exams. Those that did received their license to teach, and God chose only one to be chief apostle based on demonstrated performance, qualification, and future potential. Peter was not a fisherman who, without any formal background in education or ministry, felt called to give his Sermon at Pentecost.
I agree, the dude's not qualified.
Wow, someone has reading comprehension problems. For his benefit, that someone is Tyler, BTW.
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
Mr. Speir, I'm afraid you're looking for something that isn't actually present at New College. Some kind of "religion of wokeness" might exist at Harvard or at Emory, but it's simply not the way education takes place at New College.
The students often seem unusual because it's an unusual place. But part of the fiber of its existence is classical principles - students can follow any line of questioning and discover all of its implications for themselves.
The media likes talking about Derek Black and how he came there as the heir apparent of the white supremacist movement and then changed his mind about his prior beliefs. But it's important to point out that he felt comfortable going to New College in the first place, and in his own writing about his experience, points out that he was never in any danger of being expelled and never felt any academic pressure. Some students (not all) just pointed out that his arguments were wrong, and he examined that and came to agree. He was at home there, just as much as Representative Lincoln Diaz-Balart (R), or the numerous veterans, politicians, and members of the clergy who graduated from New College.
Please, before trying to change things, make sure you're not trying to fix whatain't broke or woke.
Respectfully,
Rev. Grant Balfour, D.D.,
YEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
God bless you. This piece hurt my heart and soul!
> This piece hurt my heart and soul!
Yes, truth hurts the wicked. Try admitting your sins and atoning for them. I realize this can be extremely painful, but if you atone and truly ask for forgiveness, you will find truth no longer hurts your soul.
Who doesn't want to wear the ribbon???
Dude, they'd DIE without that ribbon! It's their whole identity.
"One example of a dogmatic expression of wokeness is the assertion that America and its institutions are systemically racist and must be torn down."
You are looking through your telescope backwards. The effects of systemic racism are manifold and ongoing, having wasted countless lives. But to dismiss this understanding as dogmatic un-thought is basically to not think, but to label inaccurately a historical reality. Perhaps you would benefit from attending a performance of "Flyin' West" at the Westcoast Black Theater here in Sarasota. The tale of Nicodemus, Kansas, is part of our history; its fate is just one of countless effects of systemic racism.
Sarasota County and New College have far more education than you give them credit for. You'll discover this soon enough.
You should check out the writings of Thomas Sowell, a real American treasure! I hope that New College starts exposing the students to a full body research and knowledge. It really is time for a change!
And to you I commend Mathew Desmond's chapter entitled "Capitalism" - ch. 6 in the 1619 Book Project.
I fail to see why either Carolyn or I should waste our time reading well-known bullshiters.
> The effects of systemic racism are manifold and ongoing, having wasted countless lives.
For example, look at all the people, mostly Blacks, killed by the rise in crime caused by the BLM riots. Or look at the effect the destructive consequences of affirmative action and the "disparate impact" doctrine are having on our national institutions.
Come to Oakland, where the only BLM death was the murder of a police officer by a far-right member of the Boogaloo.
Wow, what's with the absurd conspiracy theories?
Look at the murder statistics, they were going down until BLM told cops they could be arrested for doing their jobs.
Oh dear. It’s scarier than I thought. This anti- intellectual is now going to create the paradigm for a made up word? And none of his thoughts are dogmatic or threatening to “ our way of life?” Is he for real? I mean he’s simply living in an alternate reality and unfortunately one similar to those created in 1930s Germany…
The Germany comparison is hyperbolic. But oh boy is he anti-intellectual.
Um no. The anti-intellectuals are the ones purging curricula of books by "dead cis white men".
As a Christian and public school teacher, I might quibble with your definition of "woke" here. In my own practice, I work under the understanding that schools have historically failed to adequately serve poor and minority students and when I think about equity, what that has meant for me is asking questions about how we might do better about addressing those disparities. I lived by those beliefs by being underpaid in poorly funded schools for many years. Now my daughter attends New College and it looks like her education will be caught in the crosshairs of a political battle being waged by the governor.
Please, Sir, with all due respect, this is a deeply flawed piece.
Did Christ not compel you to love your neighbor as yourself?
Please, pray on your words. They drip with distain.
Everyone of us is worthy of love. New College is an accepting loving place. Please speak with the students, the faculty, the community. You may be seeing this situation with jaded eyes.
Open your heart.
When you say “our way of life”, you are clearly referring to YOUR way of life as a CIS white Christian male. You are certainly not speaking for me as a CIS white Jewish female.
As a Jewish man myself, I would like to apologize on behalf of all sane Jews for EJR's behavior. He doesn't speak for us, and we support what Eddie Spier and Chris Rufo are doing to maintain the intellectual standards of academia and ultimately Western Civilization.
Why do you presume I'm not Jewish?
The whole follower of Christ thing is kind of a dead give away.
I challenged the NCF community in our meeting to be intelligent as defined by the ability to hold two apparent contradicting ideas in your head and the same time and seek a deeper truth. You have failed the first test. Jesus was Jewish, I am Jewish and a follower of Jesus. These are not mutually exclusive. Nor is free thinking and conservatism.
Do you believe that Jesus was the Messiah? Do you pray to Jesus? Was/is your Mother Jewish? If not, have you converted to Judaism? Have you been baptized?
My answers for myself are no, no, yes, n/a, no.
I'm sorry, resorting to ad hominem attacks and character assassination attempts does not dissuade from the fact that being Jewish and a follower of Jesus are not mutually exclusive. Your appeal has been heard and denied. Your failing grade remains.
I’m just trying to seek the truth. Your failure to actually answer my questions and refer to what I wrote as ad hominem attacks are character assassination are indeed answers.
Eddie should check in with his boss DeSantis on the meaning of 'woke,' since representatives of DeSantis defined it in open court, in a legal proceeding a couple months ago, as 'a “slang term for activism … progressive activism” and a general belief in systemic injustices in the country [and as] "someone who believes that there are systemic injustices in the criminal justice system and on that basis they can decline to fully enforce and uphold the law ... it would be the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them."' source: https://floridapolitics.com/archives/574045-in-andrew-warren-suspension-trial-gov-desantis-officials-answer-what-does-woke-mean/
When you reply to sourced data with "uh, no". Zero references, no data, no evidence, that's not a debate, it's a Foxx news junkie in a post fact bubble.
How could New College grads go onto so much more accomplishments than DEI-free Hillsdale college grads if they have "fewer useful skills" ?
I thought you were interested debating facts and policy I welcomed that, but clearly no.You just say stuff that feels good for your fact free political viewpoint.
So, no more from me. But you might try all the research I provided as evidence.
If wokeness is a religion, then it’s protected by the Constitution—the same as your religion.
Colleges are in a deeply competitive market for talent as the demographics are going against them. Many are closing and more will do so. New College is a place that attracts students accepted to Harvard, U of Chicago, Williams and others of that caliber. It is a place that sends a greater percentage of its students on to PhDs than any other public college. It is a gem. Those students will not apply to a Hillsdale Christian college, that is a very different set of students. That niche does not outperform in Fulbrights and PhDs. Changing policies to eliminate a President just hired in a national search, to fire highly rated faculty, to eliminate accountability for Title IX, to destroy the investment in diversity and inclusion -- this will destroy the unique jewel of New College, a school that punches well above its weight in academics. Responsible stewardship does not destroy the strategic competitive advantage of an institution.
> Colleges are in a deeply competitive market for talent as the demographics are going against them.
Who do you think you're fooling with this BS? There are many more people on the academic job market than there are positions available. That's why colleges can get away with treating their grad students and post-docs like crap, people are required to take ever more and longer post-docs before even getting the chance at a tenure track position.
I'm referring to the students New College seeks to attract: undergraduates. Not the PhD vs academic job mismatch.
New college must compete for undergrads and the proposed policy changes will sabotage their ability to get the best of a shrinking pool of high school graduates.
Plenty of data on undergrad trends:
Extremely well documented. Just a sample
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2020/12/15/what-do-new-projections-high-school-graduates-mean-colleges-and-universities
https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/23428166/college-enrollment-population-education-crash
https://theswailletter.com/2020/02/13/the-demographic-challenge-of-higher-education/
The reason for the crash in college admissions is that undergrads are going into increasing debt for an "education" that doesn't actually educate but merely indoctrinates students with far-left politics. This is precisely the trend people like Eddie Speir are trying to reverse.
The data do not support your hypothesis. The most selective and expensive schools have no decline. The biggest decline in enrollment has been at the community college level, the least expensive option. It looks like much of the community college decline relates to higher entry level wages, but the full answer is not know.
As I posted earlier (with a reference), there are fewer high school age kids to go to college (or trade school).
I share your concern about college costs, which is why I applaud New College for keeping costs low. New College tuition is $7000. It sends about as large a share of its graduates on to post-graduate education as MIT, where the tuition is 56,000. Why mess with such a success?
The average college grad will earn $2,000,000 more over their lifetime than a high school graduate. That goes for business majors, women's studies majors and philosophy majors, interestingly. Like durable assets such as your car or home, borrowing is appropriate for that payoff. The real devastation is the student who borrows and does not complete. Speir just fired the president who raised retention rates immediately in her short tenure -- good work. Not sure how that helps the problem of debt that you and I both worry about. Perhaps you can explain.
The policies that are proposed about cultural issues have no relationship to debt, graduation rates. I hear your cultural frustration, it seems your anger has been stoked. The younger generation definitely have ideas and practices and acceptance of people that we didn't. But, this will not be stamped out, it is generational change. What is accomplished by firing the diversity director (the person who has been working attracting and retaining more veterans at New College)? Except, we will see fewer vets. And applications -- the lifeblood of a school.
Sources for my statements:
https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/education/2021-12-14/enrollment-continues-to-shrink-at-floridas-state-colleges-and-officials-are-not-sure-why
https://www.bestcolleges.com/news/community-college-enrollment-declines-spring-semester-cte/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2021/10/11/new-study-college-degree-carries-big-earnings-premium-but-other-factors-matter-too/?sh=21567ff535cd
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2020/10/08/major-decisions-what-graduates-earn-over-their-lifetimes/
> The average college grad will earn $2,000,000 more over their lifetime than a high school graduate. That goes for business majors, women's studies majors and philosophy majors, interestingly.
Um, no.
> Like durable assets such as your car or home, borrowing is appropriate for that payoff.
Tell that to all the recent grads with unaffordable student loans.
> The policies that are proposed about cultural issues have no relationship to debt, graduation rates.
Yes, they do. The ballooning DIE bureaucracy is a large part of the reason for the ballooning cost. The teaching of woke propaganda instead of facts or useful skills, as well as dumbing down the curriculum to make sure everyone passes, means students graduate with fewer useful skills and that employers can no longer reply on a diploma as a sign of quality.
To put in bluntly, over the past decades colleges have been slowly turning into expansive diploma mills cum indoctrination centers while coasting on their established reputations. Thus it's not surprising that they're having problems.
The basic definition of Woke: The belief that there are systemic injustices in American society, and there is a need to address them.
You do realize that women's rest rooms are different from men's rest rooms, right? There is no way that you would notice anyone's junk in a woman's rest room. What actually do you think goes on in rest rooms anyway?????